Wednesday, December 2, 2009

Why is the nba's MVP award judged by team success mainly? Eliminating worthy players, who give

It's not a team award...the team award is the NBA title and the team MVP is the Finals MVP, right? If team success is the primary stat, then why do they vote before a teams season can be deemed successful? If the Mavs, or Suns, or Spurs, or Heat lose in the 1st rd of the playoffs...no one would call their season a success?



Why is the nba's MVP award judged by team success mainly? Eliminating worthy players, who give it their all?!?nba fantasy





The NBA MVP is for the regular season and Basketball is a team sport. Success is defined by the team. Not the individual. If a player does great on a bad team... is he truly an MVP in a team sport?



You really should disregard the NBA MVP award. It means little to nothing. The players dont vote, neither do the coaches, nor anyone in the front offices. Its a media voted award by people who have never played. If the media likes you. You will get votes. If not you dont. Jordan ... the greatest player ever has 6 championships and never won the NBA MVP twice in a row. Steve Nash is going for 3 in a row and has never smelled the NBA Finals. So... the meaning of the award is minimal when you think about it. Its a regular season pat on the back. The real prize is the NBA Championship.



Why is the nba's MVP award judged by team success mainly? Eliminating worthy players, who give it their all?!?nba draft picks ,nba teams



well think about it....if a player on a losing team is REALLY that valuable, then why is the team losing?
50 points is wortless if you arent winning. WHat is the point od scoring 50 point i you dont win. Maybe it the player is part of the blame maybe he didnt share the ball enough
Because the Most Valuable Player goes to guys who are not just great players but great leaders. Being able to lead your team and make your teammates better (besides filling it up yourself) is what usually translates to success. Look at anyone who has won the award and the leadership factor applies to almost every single one of them. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Duncan, Nash, etc. They are great players who get less-talented teammates to believe in them and uplift thier own games to benefit the team. Don't you think that's more valuable than having a guy jack up 30 shots a night while his teammates stand around or set picks for him and the team is not going anywhere?
it is the most valuable player award, how valuable is a player if ur not winning since winning is the only thing that determines if u goto the play offs and advance that would mean if ur the most valuable player you would atleast have to make it to the play off, otherwise how valuable are they really if u keep losing
Every team has at least one player who "gives it their all" as you put it. The MVP is about the player that puts his team over the top. He makes his fellow teammates better and thus the team becomes a winning team. The MVP will have taken his team to the best that it can be. So far this year, there's only two players that have demonstrated that - Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash. No one else comes close.
To me that's the problem...we have too many people looking at guys just trying to excite and get on Sportscenter, but not making it to the playoffs or barely getting in and losing 1st round.



You must be a Laker fan...if you are...where were you when they where three peating and winning these post season awards.



I not a person who wants to reward mediocrity. You wouldn't asking this question if they Lakers were on top of the Western Conference.
Because for the worthy players who give it their all, their all isn't enough.
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I don't think it is judged by overall team success. It's based on how successful a team is with and without a particular player.



This makes the case for Steve Nash. Without Nash, Phoenix had a tough time winning games. When Nash came back they went on a terror - winning 11 games in a row.



Nash isn't high scorer on the team vs Coby at the Lakers. Nash is the catalyst that makes the Suns a cohesive team.



Obviously there are other players who should be considered for MVP, but in my opinion none of them is in Nash's league.



I'm not a Steve Nash or Phoenix Suns fan. I just happen to recognize that Nash is that good. I'd much rather watch Lebron James.
Actually it does depend on the team because if the team is not doing well, but they have a star who is possibly the best player in all of basketball they can't win the award because the team actually has to be at least mediocre for him to be in the running for it. Look at the Timberwolves. They have Garnett carrying their team, but until they can get some help for him they have no chance to get anywhere in the playoffs-or even get in for that matter but he does go all out when he is playing.
Reasonable argument but the team has to have a certain amount of success in order for a player to even be considered an MVP, the only sport I know where an MVP can come from a losing team is baseball.

Who is going to be the nba's mvp(most valuable player)? Will it be steve nash , kobe bryant , o

lets see steve nash best point guard who leads his team,steve nash doesnt make himself better he makes his own team better with his incredible assists.Hes been the mvp for the last two years but he wont be mvp this year.



kobe bryant one of the greatest basketball players who ever lived,set nba scoring records and averages about 35+ points in every game,the best canidate for mvp,doesnt everyone agree kobe has earned mvp this year because he takes games over because of the lack of his team,he has proved that he can enter the playoffs and take his team to a game seven against the phoenix suns.kobe is going to be mvp.



last dirk nowitzski hes been playing great but hes no mvp last year he let wades and shaqs team win the nba and he stood standing watching the heat take the nba championchip,hes been playing good early in the year but he is slipping and we havent heard anything about dirks great performances these days.he would probably be tied with steve nash for mvp.



KOBE WILL BE MVP!!!



Who is going to be the nba's mvp(most valuable player)? Will it be steve nash , kobe bryant , or dirk nowitzknba playoff





Dude, Kobe is 37-38 as a starter. And just making the playoffs is not a big deal in the NBA. In any other sport the Lakers would not be in the playoffs this yr. The majority of teams make the playoffs in the NBA.



I don't care if Kobe scored 5 trillion points in one game, that's the only attribute that he has. All of his defensive stats have gone down since Shaq left. Also, his turnovers have gone up, and his Ast to Turnover Ratio has dropped since Shaq left. He's not making any of the players around him any better. And if you can't make the players around you better, then what do you have????????



You're giving Kobe MVP credentials for what he did 4-7 yrs ago. And by the way, the Lakers were 24-7 without Kobe from '00-'02 (the championship yrs). They were only 13-13 without Shaq during that span. When you become the focal point, it's a completely different thing. Just ask Penny Hardaway. Stats mean nothing if you can't make anyone around you better. Who has Kobe made better????????



Who is going to be the nba's mvp(most valuable player)? Will it be steve nash , kobe bryant , or dirk nowitzknba stats ,nba teams



Well i want Kobe to win outta them 3 cause steve nash i dont like and dirk nowitski i do like a lil and i wish it was allen iverson but hes not gonna be on it lol
Dirk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
dirk got it this year
Carmelo Anthony!! Go Nuggs!!!
Steve Nash... No doubt. w/o him the Phoenix Suns deadly offense is basically non-existant, and they don't have any D as it is... They wouldn't even make the playoffs if it wasn't for him.



I like kobe (actually I HATE the guy) but I must admit he does contribute alot 2 his team, but when you put him up against Nash, there is no comparison. Steve Nash is the obvious choice. He has led his squad to the no. 2 seed and made his teammates better along the way. This year they may be strong contenders for the championship (if they can get past the deadly 2nd Round match-up with the Spurs/Nuggets victor)



Dirk is a great player, but doesn't contribute as much to his team as the other 2 candidates. I don't mean to degrade him but his team can do well enough w/o him... they wouldn't hold the number one spot, but they would still posess a lower seed *(even in the action-packed W-Conf.)*



Harris, Terry, Stack, Howard, Dampier... There's your starters right there.
It will be between Dirk and Nash. IMHO, Dirk gets it this year. Dirk has upped his defense and is a machine on offense.



Kobe shouldn't even be in the running (if Kobe really were the MVP, the Lakers would have won more than 41 games). Oh, and what "scoring records" has he set? He does hold a few Lakers scoring records, but that's about it.
I still think its going to be Steve Nash I think the MVP of a team needs to be is someone who makes there whole team better and that person is Steve Nash the suns would be nothing without him. It should not go into account that he has been it for the past 2 years. he deserves it. Kobe should not get it because i know there is no one on his team but that's why hes getting 31+ points Nash is getting 18+ points along with 11+ assists yeah Kobe is getting 31 points but hes got nothing else to show for it. Face it Nash you could start a franchise with Kobe it is hard to because he wants to be the man but he cant he needs a shack the Lakers might not even make the playoffs and the MVP should play for a team that's a contender dont you think?
It's not that I hate Steve Nash, but I'd love to see Kobe get an MVP. The only problem is that, despite his magic, the team hasn't been lifted out of mediocrity. The MVP goes to a player on a good team, thus why Steve Nash won it twice, Kevin Garnett won it when the Timberwolves were #1 in the West, and Tim Duncan won it the year the Spurs dominated and won the Championship. Kobe would have won it hands-down last year if his team had finished in the top four in the West. Yet they finished an okay 7th, a good rank, but not good enough to satisfy the media who vote. This year, he would have won it if he and the team had continued playing the way they started.



Dirk is a good candidate, yet his numbers, scoring in particular, are slightly down from a year ago. There are quite a few things going for him however, especially considering that he's the best player on the best team, his shooting percentage and assists are up from a year ago, and he's reached the expectations that were expected for the team after last years trip to the Finals.



Steve Nash is having a career year, and if it wasn't for the Mavs, they'd be the best team in the NBA. He's putting up better numbers in points and assists especially, and he's also giving better effort on the defensive end. His leadership and attitude have helped transform the Suns into a playoff threat.



All in all, I think Dirk has a good shot at winning the MVP, primarily because he's the new guy on the block. Otherwise, it'd be Steve Nash.
Kobe will not be mvp he won't even make the playoffs with the way they're playing they're going to lose the rest of the season and no make the playoffs. While Golden State and the clippers get in. It's going to between Duncan and Nowitzki for MVP. Nash is not the best point guard in the league that belongs to Baron Davis when he is healthy he is the best in the league.
it wont be kobe not after that performance against the clippers. even though he scored 50 his team lost, thats the bottom line and they blew a 17 pt lead too. thats unacceptable. when kobe had his streak of 50 pt games he did it against bad teams and its no coincidence he won them all. whenever kobe has the ball, the lakers just stand around and watch. kobe doesnt trust his teammates anymore. and kobes MVP votes will be linked with how well his team does.



its pretty much between nash and dirk. but i think it should be nashs trophy again. he really does make his team better. when nash was out 4 straight games, the suns went 1-3 and lost 3 straight against teams like atlanta and seattle. without nash, phx is very average. in the mavs/suns games, nash always seems to shine in the OTs and dirk doesnt. without dirk i still think the mavs are formidable.
I think its close between Dirk and Nash, but I gotta go with Dirk.



Steve Nash has a career year, but I think Dirk has done a better job. Dirk is more difficult to deal with than Nash for their opponents from games I've seen. Also, Dirk to me, is the force of his team who won them games. Nash supports his players.



Kobe Bryant has done great, but hasn't gotten that "success" with his team that would make the voters pick him. The team is pretty close to .500 and gone through terrible losing streaks.
i agree
I can GUARANTEE Kobe will not win MVP. With the likes of Nash and Dirk, he doesn't stand a chance. Think of the image the league would be promoting by giving him MVP. The sport of basketball is about team play.
Dirk Nowitzki will win over Steve Nash [yes, these are the only two candidates in my mind] simply because Dallas is doing better than Phoenix, and because Nash isn't going three-peat [nothing against the guy of course, this is statistically his best year].
I think Dirk Nowitzki will get it. He led his team through a great season and had a great season himself. I just don't see Nash getting it again and Kobe is playing well but his team isn't.
it's either kobe bryant or steve nash...i don't like dirk nowitzki to be the MVP
I agree that Kobe would be one of the best candidates for the MVP this year. He is the definition of "scorer" for the NBA. Scoring-wise, he has the most complete game of anyone in the league. There is nothing you can do to stop him, including fouling him.



However, you can't look at just individual performance. Otherwise, it would just be the NBA scoring champ each year taking home the MVP. The MVP is awarded on that basis, to the player most valuable to their team.



For that reason, I say Steve Nash is still the frontrunner for MVP this year. Without him, the Suns are nothing. Sure, they have the players, but they can't connect. Remember when he went out with those few games with the injured shoulder, near about the All-Star break? They were terrible and looked out of sync. Games like that go to show that Steve Nash IS the Phoenix Suns. They have shaped an entire franchise around him; Mike D'Antoni even draws all his plays around Nash.



And all the while, Nash makes everyone else play better. The season before Nash came to Phoenix, the Suns were 29-53. A season later, they finished 62-20, a league best. This year, they are 2nd in wins. Besides that, remember Joe Johnson? They traded him to Atlanta for Boris Diaw in 2005. Guess who had the career year and Most Improved Player award? Diaw.



While Kobe is there putting up 50+ point games every now and then, Nash is there putting up 20+ point, 12+ assist games every game. The difference? Nash's strategy gets everyone else involved, and wins them games. Why else do you think the Suns are second in the NBA, while the Lakers are struggling for the 8th seed?



Now, this by no means goes to say that Nash could take Kobe in a game of one-on-one. But that's not what the MVP is about. Without Kobe there, the Lakers can still win. Luke Walton and Lamar Odom are excellent, intelligent players. Everyone else just needs to score more. But take Nash out of the equation for the Suns, and they fall apart. Steve Nash is the Most Valuable Player in the NBA.
Nash easily
i think Dirk would be the MVP =P well i hope that steve nash would be the MVP but i think Dirk needs a chance =D
Nash should be MVP, but he won't win.



Kobe does not deserve the MVP and won't win, despite what you think.



Dirk is deserving of it and will win it.
You can immediately eliminate Kobe because his team is bottom seed in the playoffs and is just squeeking into the 7th or 8th spot. It is after all a team sport not an individual one. I 100% guarntee that Kobe will not win MVP like him or not. There is no way that LA will get past round 1 of the playoffs. They are likely matched up against Phoenix and they will crush them in 4 (max 5 games). If you can't get past round 1 you aint the MVP...period.



That leaves Dirk and Steve.



Steve



Pros



1. Steve has had another monster year



2. They recently beat the Mavs twice



Cons



1. Steve has won twice already and is less likely to be given a 3rd go.



2. The Suns are 2nd seed to the Mavs in the West.



3. Steve had a recent injury and was out for several games with Shoulder problems.



4. The Suns have struggled a bit lately. They lost to Houston and barely beat LA.



Dirk



Pros



1. Awesome season



2. Top Seed Team and highest winning record in the NBA of all teams.



Cons



1. Lost to the Suns twice recently.



Conclusion



I love Steve Nash (he is my favorite player), but this year you have to give it to Dirk. I'd say watch for the Suns to reach the 3rd round and the Mavs to go to the finals.
Pretend this was Nash's first year with the Suns, he would win MVP....you can't count on the fact that he's won previous two...he is the most valuable player...you saw that when he went out, they became a lottery team.



Without Dirk, the Mavs would still make the playoffs, and Dirk hasn't proven to handle pressure situations properly (choked last year in finals, and choked against Phoenix)



Kobe, he is the best player in the NBA, but he isn't the most valuable...if he was, he would have the Lakers around the 4th-5th seed...not almost out of the playoff race.



So I go with Nash, the guy who changes a lottery team to a championship team...now that's an impact

How come Scottie Pippen never achieved NBA Finals MVP?

I think because he's nothing but an overrated bumb like Kobe Bryant. I konw some of you guys are going to give him the 'LAME' excuse by say, it's hard getting Finals MVP playing with someone as dominate as Jordan. Lame! Lame! Lame! That exuse isn't legit at all. Why? Because there has been plenty of side-kicks achieving Finals MVP playing next to a dominate player or even 2 dominate players. Check this out:



James Worthy: 1988 NBA Finals MVP (3rd otpion to Magic %26amp; the All-Time leading scorer Kareem)



Jerry West :1969 NBA Finals MVP (3rd option to dominate scorers like Wilt Chamberlain %26amp; Elgin Baylor)



Joe Dumars: 1989 NBA Finals MVP (2nd option to Isiah Thomas)



Tony Parker: 2007 NBA Finals MVP (2nd or 3rd otpion to Duncan %26amp; Manu)



Anyways, see my point? Scottie Pippen is 'OVERRATED' and never had a dominate NBA Finals series or dominate playoff performance. The Bulls were all about the 6X NBA Finals MVP, Michael Jordan



MICHAEL JORDAN IS THE GREATEST!



SCOTTIE PIPPEN SUCKS



How come Scottie Pippen never achieved NBA Finals MVP?nba 2k7





maybe because he is terrible?



How come Scottie Pippen never achieved NBA Finals MVP?nba rules ,nba teams



FOR ONCE ur right good job man
Okay since you say it like that and you act like you have done your research you have seen that Michael Jordan didnt even make it out the first round without Scottie. they lost the E conf semi once, east conf finals twice then 6x champs TOGETHER!!. Scottie didnt win when jordan left. Look at the NBA. It a popularity contest. The people who do good dont always finish first. Jordans popularity overshawdowed pippen. I mean look at Rodman. He could easily have won too. They gonna vote for the person that everbody wants to see win, It would have been a s**t storm if jordan didnt get them awards. every year look at how many awards he was getting so check your resources. You must not have ever played basketball in your life. You a fantasy basketball player. . haha
ur a freakin hater man.... and mj is the greatest and stop talkin **** bout kobe bryant cuz he'll kick ur ***
First off, I saw three of the four Finals Series that you spoke of and those that were named MVP of the series deserved it with their play. Scottie doesn't suck. His play just didn't merit winning a MVP award. Tony Parker outplayed Manu and Tim in the 2007 series. Yes I said it. Cleveland could not keep him out of the lane. He set up Tim so many times with his breaking down of Cleveland's defense. Detroit would not have won their Championship without Joe Dumars and the Lakers would not have won without James Worthy. Scottie played his role like he should have in the Bulls' offensive scheme. He wasn't suppose to lead the Bulls in scoring. He was the second option. You look at his regular season stats and his playoff stats, he raised the level of his performance in the playoffs.
he was just there to back up MJ
He was over looked because all the stars on those teams. How can you say he sucked he was on the allstar teams many times and is likely headed to the NBA hall of fame.
So I guess you have to win an MVP in the finals or regular season to be considered a good player?



Wow some standards



Scottie was a good player of course he isn't as good as MJ no one is but to say he sucks is just a stupid comment
mj was on his team
becuz MJ was on his team
I'd respect your opinions more if you learned how to spell and talk.



Answer to your question: Jordan dominated the series whenever Pippen played so your "lame" answer of "It's hard to win Finals MVP when Jordan is playing" is actually fairly legit. Finals MVP is given to whoever plays the best basketball in the series, not whoever is the primary scoring option on the winning team.



2007 Finals, Tony Parker played as well if not better than Duncan and definitely better than Ginobili in every game of the series except maybe Game 4 where he "only" scored 24 pts and got 7 rebounds, while shooting 2-3 beyond the arc and 71% overall.



In all of the Finals series Jordan played better ball, I think Scottie Pippen was a great player and I don't think the Bulls could have made it without him, you don't need a finals MVP to be good, just like you don't need rings to be good.
How can you talk about Scottie Pippen without mentioning Jordan? It would be insulting to Michael, considering the only reason anyone knows who Pippen is, is because of him.



The only thing Pippen had going for him was the fact that he may have been the only player in the league uglier than George Muresan and Patrick Ewing.



Let's not forget his domination in Portland after Michael retired... oh wait.

Who do you think the NBA MVP is right now???(07-08)Kobe Bryant,Steve Nash,Chris Paul,Lebron James,or

My personal opinion right now is kobe bryant. He has led the league in scoring many times a 2-time all*star MVP but has never won an NBA MVP. Everyone has there doubts about him but he has become more prone to passing more than any other stage of his career. I think he has a legitimate shot.



Who do you think the NBA MVP is right now???(07-08)Kobe Bryant,Steve Nash,Chris Paul,Lebron James,or K.G.???nba updates





Kobe...



Who do you think the NBA MVP is right now???(07-08)Kobe Bryant,Steve Nash,Chris Paul,Lebron James,or K.G.???nba tickets ,nba teams



CP3
Kobe Bryant.... everyone knows he can score, but know hes willing to take less shots and is choosing when to shoot wisely. The lakers are now more efficient, so Kobe deserves MVP.
in race 2 mvp,cp3 is no. 1 right now
Right now it has to be Chris Paul. Because he is improving his team to be on top of the Western Division.
right now CP3, once the lakers start winning again, kobe bryant..
LeBron or K.G. They were the 2 highest vote getters for All-stars. Followed by Dwight Howard then Kobe. Nash, or Paul either one got enough to be starters. It will probably be K.G. because of how well the Celtics are playing this year. Kobe has already been leading scorer, didn't get it. All-star MVP, didn't get it. NBA Champs, still didn't get it. Why would it change this year? Because he passes now? There is other players out there that people like more than Kobe. Undeniably he has mad talent, but he also has a lot of people who don't like him.
at this point in the season it is definitely Chris Paul because he is leading the Hornets to the best record in the west.
Kobe Bryant
k.g.
Christopher Emmanuel Paul (born May 6, 1985, in Winston-Salem, North Carolina)
NAsh.
Chris Paul.
it's not what kobe has done in the past, but what he is doing now! he is leading the lakers in a great direction, all while maintaing his superstar stats..obviously i am with you on that!!! Long live KObe and may god bless the lakers!!!
well chris paul is #1 on mvp on nba.com. Then lebron so ima go with one of those two.
Chris Paul! This guy is amazing in assists.. He has improved his team and i think they could make it to the semifinals. But yeah Kobe deserves it second.

Can anybody tell me why Dirk Nowitski won the NBA MVP?

...When clearly,he was not in the top five in Scoring,Rebounding and Assist.Yes, he made the All-NBA 1st team. His Mavericks were stunned in the opening Playoff round. What do U think?...



Can anybody tell me why Dirk Nowitski won the NBA MVP?





I live in Dallas, and I'm a Mavericks Fan. And yes the reason why he won the MVP is becasue the team he is the leader of got the best record in the NBA. However Dirk does have one of the best supporting casts in the NBA as well. Personally (and I know people won't agree with me) the Lakers wouldn't have won as many games if Kobe Bryant (the best player in the league) wasn't there. No supporting cast. He is literally the most valualble player to his team.



Can anybody tell me why Dirk Nowitski won the NBA MVP?nba live 2006 ,nba teams



Playoffs have nothing to do with the MVP. He was the best player on the best team. 90% of the time that's who get's the MVP.
Personally I think Nash deserved it, but Dirk did have a very good season. He scored 24.6 per game on over 50% shooting, 41.6% from three, and 90.4% from the line. He also pulled down nearly 9 rebounds per game. You have to admit, those are some impressive numbers.



Then factor in that he led Dallas to 67 wins, which I believe was 4th-most in NBA history. It's hard not to give the MVP to a player on a team that wins so many games. Granted he had a very good supporting cast, but he was the team leader.



If the playoffs factored into the MVP voting, no doubt it would have gone to Nash instead. But it's a regular season award, so it went to Dirk.
i hate him and nash ,but he won it because he was the best player on the "best team" he would not have won if the playoffs counted
cus he fking pwns ur face
None of the stuff you mention , I happen to know first hand he won by being the third caller from Dallas :))
Yeah I want to know the same exact thing. He's like any European player that plays soft. He's overrated. Even without him, the Mavs still would have done pretty decent. The MVP should be the most valuable player, and obviously there are a lot of good players on the Mavs; this includes Terry, Howard, Stackhouse, and Harris. I'm not trying to bag on the guy, but honestly, if you watch that first round series with GS, then that is not what an MVP should be. The regular season doesn't even matter; the playoffs are more important. Nowitzki just didn't step up and was invisible when the game was on the line. He is not worthy of this MVP award.
Because he's that damn good!
Why is it that everytime a White Man wins an award in sports its racist?
yeah he was selected as the MVP. I think Dirk deserved it considering what they did in the regular season.
because he was the mvp for the best team in the league during the regular series. they have a regular season and playoff mvp. i think playoff mvp might be boozer. that guy has been so crucial its stupid
Based on the regular season he was the best player on the best team in the league but other than that he was a bust.
Because he likes David Hasselhoff why else!
He pushed his team to a great REGULAR SEASON. So he won the REGULAR SEASON MVP. He did get named to the first team all NBA for his play in the REGULAR SEASON. Now they are enjoying the playoffs on TV. He should have won it with Nash, Bryant and Duncan in the mix. God Bless
Dirk has really stepped his game up from last season even though i believe some other players should have gotten it but he has made changes that are noticeable and is leading his team.
here's one thing: He was the only player in the league this season to shoot at least 50 percent from the field (.502), 40 percent from three-point range (.416) and 90 percent from the freethrow line (.904).



he shoots in streaks, that's what it means.

 
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